男孩PR不想当兵怎么办？-第6页-SP/EP/就业准证交流-新加坡狮城论坛

good99 LV7

发表于 3-3-2006 15:00:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用fanglinsg在2006-3-3 12:43:00的发言： 
我周围就碰到过儿子情愿当兵然后拿新加坡公民再去美国留学并工作的；也看到有父母愿意送儿子当兵做磨练的，也有已经入了公民先经国防部批准现在美国留学的中国人后代，准备读完回来再当兵的．
真的是儿孙自有儿孙福．我们不必为他们操心过了头．还是把选择权留给他们，让下一代自己去处理吧！[em01][em02][em07][em10]</DIV>
没几个人是情愿的，没办法呗。
其实当兵也没什么大不了，但不能同意那种观点：
拿了新加坡的PR就是得了很多好处（不至于生活在中国那样落后的国家了），也就因此有了责任，因此要尽义务。
其实PR跟应该尽义务的公民差远了。

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fanglinsg LV14

发表于 3-3-2006 15:37:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用good99在2006-3-3 14:47:00的发言： 
我没有完全了解情况？我跟他计较？
我只是说PR也没得什么好处，特别是孩子。大人当时应该考虑周全。他都说了什么？好像我们中国人都是穷得叮当，到新加坡来淘金子来了一样。说我是不孝的想法？我有没让小孩跟父母闹！
不能同意！</DIV>
呵呵！我是要老猫别跟你计较啦！其实老猫对国内的情况是比一般新加坡人要了解的．他说的事实有些残酷，但还是事实．不过他说这些话都并没有针对你个人．所以你不必往心里去．
大家都别再用偏激的词了吧！不可否认大家来到异乡讨生活都是为了过更好的日子，说是来淘金也不为过．只是有时候出国这事情有得有失一时还不一定说得清楚．我的许多大学同学没有出国照样混得比国外的人还潇洒呢！
但是要说这ＰＲ可不就是主要是为了孩子才拿的！为了买房和看病倒是现在没有什么很大优惠了，单说学费吧：要是孩子拿了ＰＲ，在小学中学初院上课都和当地人一样的学费．不然你问问陪读妈妈们，她们付的是什么价码才能够让孩子在这里上学？！有人也让孩子拿公民，这样就可以用政府津贴的教育基金来上一些特别课程，以后还有机会可以申请政府奖学金深造．否则ＰＲ也是要另外付钱来上特别课程或某些课外活动的．难怪许多人权衡利弊要儿子拿ＰＲ或女儿拿公民了．
如果父母自己做了抉择，也留给孩子今后有权选择自己的路，这就足够算是考虑清楚了．你还要父母们如何考虑才算是周全呢？！
我不会随便说人不了解情况的．你看你是不是不了解这些详情啊？！有理解才会有沟通．没有人硬要你同意什么，只是让你多了解事实详情罢了．毕竟老猫不是故意来挑衅的，在上网吵个没完真的很没意思，退一步海阔天空可以学会更多自己所不了解的东西．．．．．

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good99 LV7

发表于 3-3-2006 16:04:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用fanglinsg在2006-3-3 15:37:00的发言： 
呵呵！我是要老猫别跟你计较啦！其实老猫对国内的情况是比一般新加坡人要了解的．他说的事实有些残酷，但还是事实．不过他说这些话都并没有针对你个人．所以你不必往心里去． 
大家都别再用偏激的词了吧！不可否认大家来到异乡讨生活都是为了过更好的日子，说是来淘金也不为过．只是有时候出国这事情有得有失一时还不一定说得清楚．我的许多大学同学没有出国照样混得比国外的人还潇洒呢！ 
但是要说这ＰＲ可不就是主要是为了孩子才拿的！为了买房和看病倒是现在没有什么很大优惠了，单说学费吧：要是孩子拿了ＰＲ，在小学中学初院上课都和当地人一样的学费．不然你问问陪读妈妈们，她们付的是什么价码才能够让孩子在这里上学？！有人也让孩子拿公民，这样就可以用政府津贴的教育基金来上一些特别课程，以后还有机会可以申请政府奖学金深造．否则ＰＲ也是要另外付钱来上特别课程或某些课外活动的．难怪许多人权衡利弊要儿子拿ＰＲ或女儿拿公民了． 
如果父母自己做了抉择，也留给孩子今后有权选择自己的路，这就足够算是考虑清楚了．你还要父母们如何考虑才算是周全呢？！ 
我不会随便说人不了解情况的．你看你是不是不了解这些详情啊？！有理解才会有沟通．没有人硬要你同意什么，只是让你多了解事实详情罢了．毕竟老猫不是故意来挑衅的，在上网吵个没完真的很没意思，退一步海阔天空可以学会更多自己所不了解的东西．．．．．</DIV>
他挑衅我没什么，他可是挑衅我们中国怎么样怎么样的啊。
大多数加入PR只是为了留在这里，换工作方便。为了孩子，好多人那时候还没有孩子呢。你是有了孩子才来的吧？那点学费也不是你负担不起的吧？而新加坡人根本就不用付。
我只是说父母最好留一个选择给孩子，没有的话也无所谓。某人马上上升到质问父母就是不孝。算了吧。
不然，就干脆直接加入公民。责任与义务完全相合。

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mahuaqing LV5

发表于 3-3-2006 16:01:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用good99在2006-3-3 15:50:00的发言： 
Don't undestand what you want to say. Another Singaporean?
Please read carefully and try to understand what we are talking about. Nobody talking about staying Singapore without contributing. In fact, we do, even more than Singaporeans. 
I don't want to argue this neither the NS policy which is purely an internal stuff.
My oppinion is as PRs, their responsibilty should be different to citizens for obivious reasons. You get money, heavily subsidised by the government, pay less less tax (no joke!), get whatever bonus, fund from the government from your birth time. That is very common sense and the government is fair enough to waive the NS for all the male PRs.
The government also understands the people's feelings well and has been under the pressure too, therefore it made the law to request all the 2nd generation male PR to serve NS as Singaporeans as well. No problem, we should follow that, or choosing not joing PR. Fair.
We should be also kind enough to listen to some of our China boys complaining he has no choice but has to go to the army because it is a rare case in the world. Since joining PR may not give our boys enough benefit to offset the burden in the future, the parents should consider this carefully and better to give the boys a chance if possible. This is absoutely legal and the government will not stop you.
I think this is a Win-Win solution. The government has been doing corrent things while some Singaporeans could not understand.
Please don't think we do not contribute but just demand, rip-off. That's completely wrong.</DIV>

are u referring to my post?
if so, pls remember to QUOTE.
otherwise, it makes your post very confusing as to who are you replying to.

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mahuaqing LV5

发表于 3-3-2006 15:56:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用good99在2006-3-3 15:50:00的发言： 
Don't undestand what you want to say. Another Singaporean?
Please read carefully and try to understand what we are talking about. Nobody talking about staying Singapore without contributing. In fact, we do, even more than Singaporeans. 
I don't want to argue this neither the NS policy which is purely an internal stuff.
My oppinion is as PRs, their responsibilty should be different to citizens for obivious reasons. You get money, heavily subsidised by the government, pay less less tax (no joke!), get whatever bonus, fund from the government from your birth time. That is very common sense and the government is fair enough to waive the NS for all the male PRs.
The government also understands the people's feelings well and has been under the pressure too, therefore it made the law to request all the 2nd generation male PR to serve NS as Singaporeans as well. No problem, we should follow that, or choosing not joing PR. Fair.
We should be also kind enough to listen to some of our China boys complaining he has no choice but has to go to the army because it is a rare case in the world. Since joining PR may not give our boys enough benefit to offset the burden in the future, the parents should consider this carefully and better to give the boys a chance if possible. This is absoutely legal and the government will not stop you.
I think this is a Win-Win solution. The government has been doing corrent things while some Singaporeans could not understand.
Please don't think we do not contribute but just demand, rip-off. That's completely wrong.</DIV>

saya tidak orang Singapura
saya orang Chengdu, Sichuan, China

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本地姜 LV7

发表于 3-3-2006 15:52:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用good99在2006-3-2 20:04:00的发言： 
 
原来是新加坡安哥啊!新加坡人对中国无知,可以原谅.只是不要把无知当有趣. 
不跟你谈,只有你祖上的那些福建人才是背井离乡到这儿来的,现在很多人不是啦.好像我们是来讨饭吃来的,歇歇吧,什么叫国际化都恢?? </DIV>
老猫没认为自已高人一等，是你先讲话先不积口德，和某些中国人一样，总认为所有新加坡人都是无知。是那些抬举老猫的中国人与老猫一样无知，只有你这个中国人不是无知，却不知为何自已不是海带，却始终不敢正视一个问题，为什么你比所有新加坡人的祖上强，现在交通那么发达，飞机到北京只是7小时半，为什么不马上衣锦还乡，不用每天面对这么多无知的新加坡人呢？ 
老猫不替自已乱涂鸦的著作做广告，你那么有兴趣，可以问方大姐，或发短信给老猫，我会告诉你真实姓名，你去google搜索看老猫的涂鸦臭史。不好意思，老猫手头上剩下的书不随便送人，除了亲友之外，只送给新中两国的重要人物（包括部长、大使、市长、市委书记等）。你还是到中央图书馆的李光前参考室找吧，没几个无知的年青新加坡人像老猫写关于中国的书，而且老猫的姓氏在新加坡属于冷门的姓，应该不难找吧！

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-3 16:02:39编辑过]

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good99 LV7

发表于 3-3-2006 15:50:00 | 显示全部楼层

Don't undestand what you want to say. Another Singaporean?
Please read carefully and try to understand what we are talking about. Nobody talking about staying Singapore without contributing. In fact, we do, even more than Singaporeans. 
I don't want to argue this neither the NS policy which is purely an internal stuff.
My oppinion is as PRs, their responsibilty should be different to citizens for obivious reasons. You get money, heavily subsidised by the government, pay less less tax (no joke!), get whatever bonus, fund from the government from your birth time. That is very common sense and the government is fair enough to waive the NS for all the male PRs.
The government also understands the people's feelings well and has been under the pressure too, therefore it made the law to request all the 2nd generation male PR to serve NS as Singaporeans as well. No problem, we should follow that, or choosing not joing PR. Fair.
We should be also kind enough to listen to some of our China boys complaining he has no choice but has to go to the army because it is a rare case in the world. Since joining PR may not give our boys enough benefit to offset the burden in the future, the parents should consider this carefully and better to give the boys a chance if possible. This is absoutely legal and the government will not stop you.
I think this is a Win-Win solution. The government has been doing corrent things while some Singaporeans could not understand.
Please don't think we do not contribute but just demand, rip-off. That's completely wrong.

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good99 LV7

发表于 3-3-2006 16:08:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用mahuaqing在2006-3-3 16:01:00的发言： 

are u referring to my post?
if so, pls remember to QUOTE.
otherwise, it makes your post very confusing as to who are you replying to.</DIV>
really sorry about that. I thought I my reply would be just behind your post, so it won't be confused. And your post is too long, don't want to quote all of them.
unfortunately, somebody was so eager to reply. sorry about that.

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mahuaqing LV5

发表于 3-3-2006 16:14:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用good99在2006-3-3 16:08:00的发言： 
really sorry about that. I thought I my reply would be just behind your post, so it won't be confused. And your post is too long, don't want to quote all of them.
unfortunately, somebody was so eager to reply. sorry about that.</DIV>
i think it is just a coincidence

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fanglinsg LV14

发表于 3-3-2006 16:14:00 | 显示全部楼层

....We should be also kind enough to listen to some of our China boys complaining he has no choice but has to go to the army because it is a rare case in the world. Since joining PR may not give our boys enough benefit to offset the burden in the future, the parents should consider this carefully and better to give the boys a chance if possible. This is absoutely legal and the government will not stop you.....
这话不确实吧？！孩子们还是可以在１８岁之前放弃ＰＲ不用当兵的．新加坡政府并没有绑住ＰＲ男孩们．事实上此时的ＰＲ男孩是消受了政府大量津贴的教育培训好处的．当然这是用他们的父母也为新加坡付出了不少而换取的．
许多新加坡人还挺不高兴ＰＲ男孩有这个放弃的特权不用当兵呢．所以政府才说有某种名单会考虑限制这些男孩将来进入官方机构工作．
凡事都有两面，希望大家不要一概而论．最好能够比较理性的看待人与事．网上气氛和为贵．．．．．．[em03][em07][em01]

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