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good99 LV7

发表于 3-3-2006 23:58:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>ck1010</I>在2006-3-3 23:45:00的发言:</B><BR>
<P>在是否申请PR这个问题上,不论是第一代,还是后几代,根本都是利益上的考量。个人不认为这跟忠孝有多大关系。所以,当然你申请PR的时候,ICA从不问你为什么要永久在新加坡居留。即使你将来进一步申请成为公民,也不会问你为什么,只要求你在放弃原来的国籍之后宣誓效忠新加坡。</P>
<P>如果想享受某些跟新加坡人相若的待遇(对于第二代来说,主要是教育上的收费,对于收入不高的家庭来说,确实能减少负担),那就帮孩子申请PR。</P>
<P>如果不想孩子将来当兵,反正你家有得是$$$,去哪里都一样。</P>
<P>第二代的男PR要当兵,是新加坡的法律;允许你孩子将来自己作一个选择,也是法律所允许的。相信立法者对很多方面都有所考虑才通过的。完全可以先享受,然后不履行义务。当然,没有哪个国家的人民或者政府会欢迎这样的一些人。所以,对这样一部分的人做出种种限制(即传说中的黑名单)也就不足为奇了。</P>
<P>大家还记得那个入了某国籍的原新加坡公民的音乐家吗?最后在舆论的压力之下,还是取消了音乐会 。(个人认为当局是想放他一马的,毕竟能出个有名气的音乐人才也是不容易的。)</P></DIV>
<P>说得完全正确,而且在之前我也是完全同意类似观点.只是说给孩子一个说话的机会也没什么大不了的.
<P>猛不丁窜出来说我们中国怎么差劲,入PR是天大的馅饼,本人对这种有辱祖国的言论骂了几句,是我不对.没想到是"国际友人",再亮出头衔来吓人.做人要厚道啊.</P>

good99 LV7

发表于 3-3-2006 23:44:00 | 显示全部楼层

请将你的名字短信给我,我一定会在十天之内拜读,至少了解吧.版主有空告诉我也行.

小狮租房
<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>本地姜</I>在2006-3-3 16:49:00的发言:</B><BR><BR>
<P>老猫和马甲的个人资料还放新加坡,这还不够吗? <BR>
<P>对不起,那个帖子不是老猫放的,老猫在新中两国的仰慕者太多,这里只有那些没家教的中国小孩,才会对老猫出言不逊呢。不用紧,那是少数人,不会影响老猫对绝大部分善良友善的中国人的评价。老猫还要替他们的双亲难过,怕有一天他们的至亲,会埋怨他们生下孩子在错的地方,不管是在中国、新加坡或世界任何一方。[em01]</P></DIV>
<P>我真的为你感到脸红,"德高望重",众多仰慕者的人还用马甲?????你有什么资格说别人是没家教的,不孝?你有什么资格在中国人多的地方发表侮辱中国的言论?中文都不明白还上纲上线
<P>本来我不说了,那么多头面人物出来劝.没想倒你不知自重,自食其言闹得更欢.那我就赔你玩玩,逗逗老猫.你的所做所为实在为人不齿.我从头仔细看看,除了一开始对你说侮辱中国人的话我骂了了几句以外,我的语气是多么的平和.
<P><STRONG><FONT size=3>温良恭谦让</FONT></STRONG>
<P>你有吗?还是"德高望重"的人呐,掉分儿
<P>你都说了什么?你牛什么?在这里,人人都是平等的,一上来摆出一付臭架子,有本事一开始就表明身份,亮出头衔,脱去马甲,少拉帮结派(我帮别人从来没想倒拉几个哥们).
<P>还说我为难什么15 岁的孩子,有吗?倒是人家呛我一句:不同意我的意见就别回帖,汗!再说,在这里,15岁,三十岁,教授,工人,每个人都是平等的.
<P>中国人真是对别人太好了,去了都是客人,人家把客气当福气.你瞧不起咱中国也是应该的,我心服口服.<STRONG>但作为一个外国人,最好不要在众多中国人的地方,发表涉嫌侮辱中国的言论,不论你的地位如何</STRONG>
<P>请将你的名字短信给我,我一定会在十天之内拜读,至少了解吧.版主有空告诉我也行.</P>

ck1010 LV6

发表于 3-3-2006 23:45:00 | 显示全部楼层

<P>在是否申请PR这个问题上,不论是第一代,还是后几代,根本都是利益上的考量。个人不认为这跟忠孝有多大关系。所以,当然你申请PR的时候,ICA从不问你为什么要永久在新加坡居留。即使你将来进一步申请成为公民,也不会问你为什么,只要求你在放弃原来的国籍之后宣誓效忠新加坡。</P>
<P>如果想享受某些跟新加坡人相若的待遇(对于第二代来说,主要是教育上的收费,对于收入不高的家庭来说,确实能减少负担),那就帮孩子申请PR。</P>
<P>如果不想孩子将来当兵,反正你家有得是$$$,去哪里都一样。</P>
<P>第二代的男PR要当兵,是新加坡的法律;允许你孩子将来自己作一个选择,也是法律所允许的。相信立法者对很多方面都有所考虑才通过的。完全可以先享受,然后不履行义务。当然,没有哪个国家的人民或者政府会欢迎这样的一些人。所以,对这样一部分的人做出种种限制(即传说中的黑名单)也就不足为奇了。</P>
<P>大家还记得那个入了某国籍的原新加坡公民的音乐家吗?最后在舆论的压力之下,还是取消了音乐会 。(个人认为当局是想放他一马的,毕竟能出个有名气的音乐人才也是不容易的。)</P>

mahuaqing LV5

发表于 4-3-2006 00:22:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>good99</I>在2006-3-3 17:05:00的发言:</B><BR><BR>
<P>In fact I did agree with you either join citizen or stay with student pass in the previous reply.<BR>
<P>To become a PR, we should understand we get some benefits but put the boy in a uneasy position. So we need to think about it clear. From very beginning I said this.<BR>
<P>I could not agree that PR should hold the same resposibility as citizen. They are different. <BR>
<P>Referring to your post, I could not get the conclusion whether you are saying PR has not made enough contribution, or not. I am sorry but I could not agree that PR has not contributed enough if they have not served in the army.</P></DIV>
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<P>I think either your brain got problem or your history teacher's brain got problem.
<P>In History, a very important component is that history requires you to THINK.
<P>Know how to think properly before you make any statement. You have to be responsible in whatever you say. You also have to support what you have said with evidence.
<P>I was just making a point. What you replied shows that you are actually trying to confuse yourself. I did not say things like PRs did not contribute to Singapore enough. Is there a need to compare? I don't think there is a need.
<P>You are also being lame. Maybe you were trying to gain number of posts. Another possibility is that your nature is that you like to argue a lot, most of the time unnecessarily.
<P>Your English standard is good, but i used English not because i wanted to show you how good my standard is, but i am more comfortable in using English in such situations. Please take note of that.
<P>I am a PRC, but i strongly suggest you to do some reflection on yourself. Although you can remain annoymous in this forum, but whatever you posted reflect on your personal EQ and quality. Also, you are putting China into shame by posting those abusive remarks.
<P>I believe that i am right in what i said above.
<P>Besides, if you get angry with people so easily, i really worry for your social skills. How are you going to get along with people well?
<P>My dear friend <EM>good99</EM>, this is a kind advice to you.</P>

mahuaqing LV5

发表于 4-3-2006 00:30:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV>刚刚陪家长到学校开家长座谈会,高兴归来,才几个钟头,没想到这里已经吵到这样了。。。</DIV>

ck1010 LV6

发表于 4-3-2006 00:59:00 | 显示全部楼层

只要不是人身攻击,如“神经病”之类,没啥大不了的。

sh2sg LV5

发表于 4-3-2006 01:10:00 | 显示全部楼层

每个人都在对对方的只字片语发挥自己充分的联想,结果越说越离谱。哈哈。

good99 LV7

发表于 4-3-2006 08:49:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>mahuaqing</I>在2006-3-4 0:22:00的发言:</B><BR><BR>
<P><BR>
<P>I think either your brain got problem or your history teacher's brain got problem.</P>
<P><STRONG>孩子,既然你已经亮出你是十五岁的孩子,我要是跟你计较,我真是白活了.不管你受怎样的教育,请尊重别人!你即使跟德高望重的人很好,也不用来直接羞辱我吧?你不觉得你的话太伤人了吗?你欠我一个道歉.</STRONG><BR></P>
<P>In History, a very important component is that history requires you to THINK.<BR>
<P>Know how to think properly before you make any statement. You have to be responsible in whatever you say. You also have to support what you have said with evidence.</P>
<P><STRONG>笑话!我老师没教过我都知道这点小道理.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>请看27楼的帖子,我除了同意你,我还说什么没有?冷静一点.不冷静的应该是我,你是旁观者.再看75楼,我说:"In fact I did agree with you either join citizen or stay with student pass in the previous reply. ". PREVOIUS REPLY! 不是现在的,你如果觉得不清楚,问我一声可以吗?</STRONG><BR></P>
<P>I was just making a point. What you replied shows that you are actually trying to confuse yourself. I did not say things like PRs did not contribute to Singapore enough. Is there a need to compare? I don't think there is a need.</P>
<P><STRONG>Confuse myself? You did that. 所以我在回答中都是问你问题,我试图想弄明白你到底说的是什么?我有说你说错了吗?</STRONG><BR></P>
<P>You are also being lame. Maybe you were trying to gain number of posts. Another possibility is that your nature is that you like to argue a lot, most of the time unnecessarily.</P>
<P><STRONG>请尊重别人,即使你猜测,不要在这种时候.你给我下这些结论,我心里很不舒服.但我不想反过来给你下结论.己所不欲,勿施与人! 懂吗?</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>你在以前说的,要我最好回你帖的时候要引用以避免误会,我说对不起,照办;后面你一看我不同意你的意见,干脆说那就不要跟帖,你很不礼貌!</STRONG><BR></P>
<P>Your English standard is good, but i used English not because i wanted to show you how good my standard is, but i am more comfortable in using English in such situations. Please take note of that.</P>
<P><STRONG>You should understand that might result in confusion! 你写那么长,中间肯定有歧义的地方,读者会被混淆.请为自己别人想想</STRONG><BR></P>
<P>I am a PRC, but i strongly suggest you to do some reflection on yourself. Although you can remain annoymous in this forum, but whatever you posted reflect on your personal EQ and quality. Also, you are putting China into shame by posting those abusive remarks.</P>
<P><STRONG>小弟,除了一开始我确实骂了人以外,后面我很礼貌的,<FONT size=3>比你还要礼貌!</FONT>为什么骂人?看见有人侮辱自己的国家!没想倒原来侮辱自己国家的是个新加坡人.我就没再说什么了吧?中国人对外人还是很礼貌的.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>请问有几个人不是匿名的?你是个小孩,当然无所谓,我们到这里来只是来尽一点义务,帮帮人(我可不是来灌水的),不想招惹是非.倒是那么德高望重的新加坡名人,被我"冒犯"了,你觉得是为中国人丢脸.嘿嘿,我觉得是他,以及</STRONG></P>
<P>I believe that i am right in what i said above. </P>
<P><STRONG>I belive you are not. I said before: 自己说好没有用的.</STRONG><BR></P>
<P>Besides, if you get angry with people so easily, i really worry for your social skills. How are you going to get along with people well?<BR>
<P>My dear friend <EM>good99</EM>, this is a kind advice to you.</P>
<P><STRONG>So far so good. 请不要为我担心,<FONT size=4>温良恭谦让</FONT>是人家对我的评价!</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>从来没有人在我面前如此侮辱中国,没一点认错.曾经和一个法国人聊起中国在革命中有几千万人死去,她老公马上岔开:他们法国人在革命中也死了不计其数的人,这是代价.人家知道什么该说,该怎么说.一味瞧不起别人,哼!</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>孩子,我对你没有什么担忧的,你把西方那些以自我为中心的教育吸收的很好.好好干吧!虽然你以后可能不会是中国人了,但请<FONT size=4>不要在作了精英以后瞧不起中国</FONT>.既然已经信了上帝,请从心里相信在上帝面前,人人都是平等的.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>虽然我不信上帝,但我仍然觉得人人平等</STRONG></P></DIV>

good99 LV7

发表于 4-3-2006 09:15:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>sh2sg</I>在2006-3-4 1:10:00的发言:</B><BR>每个人都在对对方的只字片语发挥自己充分的联想,结果越说越离谱。哈哈。</DIV>
<P>yah loh. 最逗的就是人家说退出了,又抓住"反动"一次的辫子,自己却不知早已是换了人间咯.
<P>还真没想到新加坡人会跑到这里来,还说瞧不起中国的话.我以为是自己人,所以教育自己人几句.没想到是新加坡人
<P>更没想到的是人家亮出身份:如此德高望重,如此风流倜傥,如此没有五讲四美的大家.好在我匿名,不然不是大使馆找我谈话,就是被请喝茶.想到这里,我真的直冒冷汗.现在我真的可以体会到社会底层人民的心声.人家接触的都是省长,书记,等等.</P>

本地姜 LV7

发表于 4-3-2006 09:03:00 | 显示全部楼层

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>good99</I>在2006-3-3 20:05:00的发言:</B><BR><BR>
<P><BR>
<P>首先我自我道歉,因为那两个字应该加引号。引号,懂吗?是反话。<BR>
<P>为什么没有加呢?一方面写的太快,另一方面,凡是中国人都知道在生活中早已没有反动这个词了,因此,如果提及,必是反话或双关,懂吗?<BR>
<P>我没有顾及你是新加坡人,所以我道歉;但请你自己掂量掂量自己。我为被压迫的华文精英感到悲哀。不知者不怪,但这德行,让人真的悲哀。</P></DIV>
<P>原来只允许你讲反话或双关,别人就不能讲,看来你就这付德性。</P>
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