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a_fu LV8

发表于 26-4-2016 13:44:05 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层

看到大家的回复我才知道新加坡的教育如此不堪,但不懂为嘛它却在国际上享有一定的名声呢?!在某些人眼里开口闭口美国好,真不懂楼主发帖只是询问中新的学前教育而已,和美国有神马关系?这世界上有个100%在大家眼里都好的地方吗?请不要以偏概全。建议楼主多看看之前类似的帖子,切合自身情况考虑

又听一声干鹊 LV10

发表于 26-4-2016 13:56:53 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层

小狮租房
本帖最后由 又听一声干鹊 于 26-4-2016 14:12 编辑
a_fu 发表于 26-4-2016 13:44
看到大家的回复我才知道新加坡的教育如此不堪,但不懂为嘛它却在国际上享有一定的名声呢?!在某些人眼里开 ...

你的认知不全面,新加坡中小学教育在国际上是有一定的名声,因为它把美国比下去了,可是上海在国际上名声又比新加坡高一截,国际PISA测试自从上海加入后新加坡从此排在上海后面。

黛妍 LV6

发表于 26-4-2016 14:20:30 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层

a_fu 发表于 26-4-2016 13:44
看到大家的回复我才知道新加坡的教育如此不堪,但不懂为嘛它却在国际上享有一定的名声呢?!在某些人眼里开 ...

每人有不同的视野,所以有不同的观点,不定谁对谁错。 我喜欢新加坡的教育有一点, 只要孩子努力,她就有机会去好学校, 好中学, 这又比较安全。 我喜欢美国的教育是每个人都有成功的机会不管多晚。但是教育离不开父母是无容质疑的。无论在哪。

yishun2009 LV17

发表于 26-4-2016 14:22:16 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 yishun2009 于 26-4-2016 14:24 编辑

艾妈吓死宝宝了, 我又连忙看了楼主的发问帖, 人家问的是幼儿园和小学, 我才确认我还认识几个汉字, 也略知啥是学前教育啥不是。一身冷汗啊。

另外我啥时说美国教育好了? 因为很多国人是 中国 - 新加坡 - 美国的路子, 所以我才提醒楼主, 最佳途径是拿新加坡的全奖后再奔美帝的, 因为免费享受新加坡最佳教育资源(避免小学40-3-1), 又不用负什么责任, 多好啊!

又听一声干鹊 LV10

发表于 26-4-2016 14:43:02 | 显示全部楼层

No. 1 Shanghai may drop out of PISA

First in 2009 and then in 2012, Shanghai’s 15-year-old students (or, rather, a supposed representative group)  were No. 1 in the world on the recent Program for International Student Assessment reading, math and science exams. But now, according to a popular Shanghai newspaper, Shanghai is considering dropping out of PISA. Why?

The title of the article in Xinmin Wanbao goes a long way to answer that question: “Not interested in No. 1 on International Tests, Focusing on Reducing Academic Burden: Shanghai May Drop Out of PISA.”

According to the article, explained in the following post by scholar Yong Zhao, Shanghai officials want to de-emphasize standardized test scores, homework and rote learning that has characterized Chinese education. And PISA, which is sponsored by Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, emphasizes standardized test scores.

Last year, China began a major education reform initiative designed to increase student engagement and end student boredom and anxiety — and reduce the importance of standardized test scores.

Shanghai, which is wealthier than the rest of China and is not itself representative of the rest of China, participated in PISA as a separate education system. After Shanghai became No. 1 out of 65 countries and education systems (the United States came out no better than average, as usual), a great deal of attention was put on its school system, including criticism that one of the reasons it does so well on PISA is that the group of students who are tested as the representative group of Shanghai’s 15-year-olds excludes many migrant students.

Here’s the post from Yong Zhao, presidential chair and director of the Institute for Global and Online Education in the University of Oregon’s College of Education, where he is also a professor in the Department of Educational Measurement, Policy and Leadership. He is the author of numerous articles and books, including “Catching Up or Leading the Way: American Education in the Age of Globalization,” and focuses his work on the implications of globalization and technology on education. This appeared on his blog.

By Yong Zhao




“Not interested in No. 1 on International Tests, Focusing on Reducing Academic Burden: Shanghai May Drop Out of PISA” is the headline of a story in Xinmin Wanbao [original story in Chinese], a popular newspaper in Shanghai.

Published on March 7 2014, the story reports that Shanghai “is considering to withdraw from the next round of PISA in 2015” because “Shanghai does not need so-called ‘No. 1 schools,’” said Yi Houqin, a high level official of Shanghai Education Commission. “What it needs are schools that follow sound educational principles, respect principles of students’ physical and psychological development, and lay a solid foundation for students’ lifelong development,” says the article, quoting Mr. Yi.

One of the shortfalls of Shanghai education masked by its top PISA ranking, Mr. Yi pointed out, is excessive amount of homework, according to the story. For example, teachers in Shanghai spend two to five hours designing, reviewing, analyzing, and discussing homework assignment every day.

“Over half of the students spend more than one hour on school work after school [every day]; Teachers’ estimate of homework load is much lower than actual experiences of students and parents; although the homework is not particularly difficult, much of it is mechanical and repetitive tasks that take lots of time; furthermore, our teachers are more used to mark the answers as ‘right’ or ‘wrong,’ while students are hoping their teachers can help them open their minds and point out their problems.”

“Homework is only one of the elements that supports student development,” an unnamed PISA official told Xinmin Wanbao. “Their skills and qualities should also be acquired from a variety of activities such as play, online activities, and games instead of merely completing academic assignments or extending homework time.”

“Shanghai will not participate in PISA forever,” Professor Zhang Minxuan, director of PISA in China, told another Shanghai newspaper Xinwen Chenbao in December 2013 [original story in Chinese]. “It will develop its own [education quality] evaluation system.”

The evaluation system Professor Zhang alluded to is the so-called “green evaluation.” The new evaluation system de-emphasizes the significance of test scores. Instead of being the sole measure of educational quality, test scores become one of 10 indicators Shanghai (and China) will use to evaluate schools. The new evaluation system will measure student motivation and engagement, student-teacher relationship, and physical fitness, according to Xinwen Chenbao.


Whether or when Shanghai decides to drop PISA is unknown and dependent on many factors, political consideration being one. But it is clear that Shanghai officials have acknowledged that PISA does not give them what they want. Its narrow definition of education quality as test scores obscures other aspects of education that are much more important.

Moreover, it seems that the No. 1 status has given Shanghai education officials a big headache, according to a leading education policy researcher in Shanghai, who spoke to me on condition of anonymity recently. He believes that Shanghai’s success in PISA has backfired.




“People know very well our education is no good, but when you don’t boast as the world’s best, they leave you alone. Now you claim to be the best, people begin to question you and expose all the problems that you cannot solve.” The government does not want that and “thus wants to get out of it.”


the Washington post
2014/05/26

a_fu LV8

发表于 26-4-2016 18:46:39 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层

又听一声干鹊 发表于 26-4-2016 13:56
你的认知不全面,新加坡中小学教育在国际上是有一定的名声,因为它把美国比下去了,可是上海在国际上名声 ...

请问我神马时候说新加坡的教育好过上海了?请指出!
我只是说它在国际上享有一定的名声!
认知够不够全面不是看随便拿出个国际机构的认证就全面的!
在我看来,切合自身实际情况的分析才是全面的。
楼主需要的是符合他自己身份情况的分析,而不是什么机构给的排名

又听一声干鹊 LV10

发表于 26-4-2016 19:11:16 | 显示全部楼层

a_fu 发表于 26-4-2016 18:46
请问我神马时候说新加坡的教育好过上海了?请指出!
我只是说它在国际上享有一定的名声!
认知够不够全面 ...

好大一盆火,再添点柴好了。

1. 你说你说新加坡教育在国际上有一定名声,我不过说上海名声名声更大。
2. 你能说出PISA是随便拿出个国际机构已经证明了你的认知不全面。
3. 楼主在上海和新加坡之间做选择,我拿个上海教育的国际排名,不是给楼主参考难道是给你参考吗?

jiayuan.jin LV4

发表于 26-4-2016 21:09:08 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 jiayuan.jin 于 26-4-2016 21:10 编辑

楼主在苦逼加班中浮出水面
1.谢谢每一位的帮助和意见
2.我的理解:每人情况不一且都对各自当下做出最佳判断,在新或沪只是符合人情的结果
3.所以我开贴追求的不是结果而是做判断的角度或方向
4.考虑在新上学,一方面也掺杂着一种心理,趁热打铁,过这坡没这店,加强小孩适应力
5.另一方面,情感上不想让小孩缺失父爱童年,唉,又想儿子了
6.要不再生一胎,两地轮换对比?十五年后我再回答该贴
7.但是打工薪水确实鸡肋,无法承担妻儿在新相应开销,但人要知足常乐并伺机创业
8.五一妻儿过来,尊重她/他们感觉和选择

a_fu LV8

发表于 26-4-2016 22:13:45 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层

又听一声干鹊 发表于 26-4-2016 19:11
好大一盆火,再添点柴好了。

1. 你说你说新加坡教育在国际上有一定名声,我不过说上海名声名声更大。

柴是你带的,火是你点的

你评论我的第一句就是“认知不够全面”,请问阁下何德何能如此评价我对楼主的回复,就因为我不认识你所谓的国际机构??!!
我说新加坡教育在国际上有一定的名声,意思是它必有它的优点,你很明显的在对我的评价中指出我的认知不够全面,上海更好,您却在第二次回复中非要说您只是说上海名声更大,好吧,随您。

最后我想说我的认知够不够全面还真轮不到您来评价,也请您以后别自以为是的给人扣帽子!
我回复此贴的初衷是给楼主的,不是来和你讨论“我的认知是否全面”。所以我不会再回复您了,到此为止。楼主发帖需要的是大家的分析建议,不好意思,被俺水了一下下...

又听一声干鹊 LV10

发表于 26-4-2016 23:25:12 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层

a_fu 发表于 26-4-2016 22:13
柴是你带的,火是你点的

你评论我的第一句就是“认知不够全面”,请问阁下何德何能如此评价我对楼主的回 ...

爱烧就烧吧.
1. BBS是公共论坛,每个人都可以对想发表的意见公开发表。这算是对互联网的起码认知。
2. 不得不再次重复既然你提到国际名声,我提醒你PISA排名上海第一,这是目前最权威的国际教育评估之一,显然你对这点是没有任何认知的。
3. 知之为知之 不知为不知,承认自己有不知道的并不丢脸,要硬拗我也可以奉陪。
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